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Josué Cardona 0:07
Welcome to gt radio on the geek therapy network. Here at geek therapy. We believe that the best way to understand each other and ourselves is to the media we care about. Welcome to the official official launch of season six of GT radio, originally the geek therapy podcast, my name is Josué Cardona. I'm joined by Lauren Keller.
Lauren Keller 0:26
Josué Cardona 0:28
And Lara Taylor.
Lara Taylor 0:29
Josué Cardona 0:30
And this is the cast for season six for now. Last year, we had Brandon Saxton on board. And Brandon is going to not be on GC radio for this season. Instead, he's going to take the reins of our brand new RPG podcast, which is called geek there be adventures. So if you listen to us last season, and remember we did a d&d trilogy
Where we talked about the end, we played the end, and then we reflected on playing the end. And we're going to do a whole podcast and built off of that campaign. So we have already done a few more chapters of that. And so that should be coming out soon. And Brandon is super excited. He He wants to take the original story he wants to make sure we like edited add stuff to it, we'll see what what it becomes. But
yeah, gt adventures, be on the lookout for that. By Brandon Saxton.
And so if this is your first time with us here on GT radio,
geek therapy basically the theory is we have an affinity for something, there's something that we really, really enjoy, we geek out about. And then at the same time we see something that's relatable within that to our life to a situation to something going on in our lives, somebody else's life. We start connecting those two things.
And it opens up a space to really, really understand stuff in a way that you couldn't just by maybe talking about it directly, or addressing it head on, you know, sometimes we even like don't want to talk about something, want to avoid it. And then it just sneaks up in our favorite TV show or movie. And it creates an opportunity to talk about that. All of that came from clinical work when I was a therapist, and we've built an entire community of therapists. And we'll be talking a lot about not only in the mental health space, but in the education, space, media psychology. And we'll be bringing up tons of examples. The reason why I love this show so much is because it allows us an opportunity every week to practice that skill of talking about something really, really important, something meaningful, within and through the lens of something that we really care about. And with three of us who are some of us are very similar
Some aspects and others meal are practically the same person, but not always. And
Lara Taylor 3:07
like, like 99.5% of
Josué Cardona 3:10
the time. It's true. It's true, that's true. But luckily we don't watch 99% of the same things or read the same things. So so it creates an opportunity to discuss different different pieces of media and different topics. And again, this is this is our chance every week to do that. And just just practice that skill. So So this is kind of like a reintroduction episode to get us you know, back into we've been we you know, we took a vacation for the holidays. We had a few weeks off. I kind of regret it. This is always like my favorite thing to do every week. And but just like anything, if you stop for a week, it's like it's hard to get back into it. I just came back from from a trip yesterday, but I'm ready. I'm ready to go. There's one thing I wanted to do
For this year, but before I get to that, so maybe maybe again, an intro for people who don't know us. So, Lara Taylor, please, please introduce yourself like how would you how's the introduce you, but I want to hear what you say.
Lara Taylor 4:18
What I say.
Josué Cardona 4:19
Yeah. Well, how would you introduce yourself?
Lara Taylor 4:21
How would I introduce myself?
Josué Cardona 4:23
Lara Taylor 4:24
I'm a huge nerd.
Um, I am a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California. I am in a group practice where I get to bring all my geeky loves into therapy with people and geek out about stuff I enjoy geek out what my client about what my clients enjoy. It's a lot of fun. I love my job. Exciting. It's a draining job, but I love my job.
Josué Cardona 4:56
Lauren, how would you introduce yourself?
Lauren Keller 4:59
Hey, I'm Lauren Keller and I'm a nightmare skeleton trapped in a flesh bag.
Josué Cardona 5:05
That's what I was gonna say.
Lara Taylor 5:08
Awesome. That's a way that our introduction.
Lauren Keller 5:12
Ah, yeah, I mean that feels very succinct. But for those of you more interested, I am a media psychology PhD student at fielding Graduate University, which is located in Santa Barbara, California, but it is online. So yeah, I'm getting my doctorate online. And my personal focus is on video games. And I am currently in the very beginning steps of my dissertation. So I am an anxious wreck.
Josué Cardona 5:45
And my name is Josué Cardona. I'm an engineer, mental professional design researcher. I started geek therapy many many years ago and
kinda, you know, try to try to keep this train moving.
I think a few other things that are kind of at least that I'm super proud of about about us as a group is
we were in different places. We represent different sexual orientations different
I don't know how different our ideologies are, but like you like, you know, like we're we're pretty different people. We're pretty diverse, I think, I think which is, which is meaningful. So like, I am cisgender heterosexual male, I'm pretty white, but I'm Hispanic. So that's that's a that's a that's something so round depending on who you're talking to. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's funny. I had a conversation with my mom about this. I was like, Mom, like, in in the United States where we're Many people consider us brown and she's like brown. What are you talking about Brown? And that's it going this whole conversation like she's, she's in her 60s and she lived in New Jersey, New York for a big part of her life. And it's like, this was a foreign concept. To her she, I don't know it's to her she thought, like, Oh, well, when I'm when I'm in the States, people just think I'm white. Or people think maybe I'm Hispanic, but there's no like that term just seemed very strange to her. I i've pitched this idea many times to Ali, my friend of the show, former co host with us here about doing a show called two shades of brown. Because he was right and and I thought it would be an interesting conversation. I got an interesting project on on race and perspective from from two brown people who are like, very different. Yeah, I think I was born in Puerto Rico. I've lived in Puerto Rico for I guess the last couple years and And I can talk about all sorts of Hurricane stuff if you want. I think, I don't know, all those things matter. They're more things, too. But is there anything you all want to share about yourselves that also might be relevant in terms of diversity and kind of different perspectives that we bring to the table?
Lauren Keller 8:20
Yeah, I'm also white. I don't know if that's apparent by my extremely white boys.
I'm a I'm a bisexual non binary person. And I particularly chose that because I think the irony of having the two byes totally oppose each other is perfection and I love it. And that's how I live my life. If you're asking me to choose between two things, I will not
Josué Cardona 8:56
Go that's helpful. Yeah.
Lara Taylor 9:00
Josué Cardona 9:01
Anything you want to share when you are presented with two choices?
Lara Taylor 9:08
When I was presented with two choices? I picked the ladies.
Yeah, I am cisgendered lesbian love my wife, who is also a host of another gt podcast, queer comics podcast. And I love my cats. And they are my children.
And that is an all you need to know about.
Josué Cardona 9:37
I'm gonna go meet a dog this weekend for potential adoption.
Lara Taylor 9:41
Sway. We almost came home with a dog this last weekend. We need a dog. No.
But we need a dog.
Josué Cardona 9:49
I don't know. I'll let you know how that how this goes. But I do not have a pet at the moment. Well, again, I'm Really proud of the fact that you know, we're, we're not just, you know, bunch of straight guys talking about, you know, comic books and stuff like that, like I think what we do is really different over time, we've had different people on the show, as co host, very different perspectives that we can all bring to it, obviously different life experiences. But it's something that I'm really proud of. And I'm super excited when when Lauren, you joined because of your media psychology background, and the way we met was really cool. You listen to another one of our podcasts, psych tech and headshots, and you reached out and we played video games while we talked about like, what do you want to do with your life?
Lara Taylor 10:39
It was great.
Josué Cardona 10:40
Yeah, yeah, it was fantastic. And now and now here you are, you know, and it's, it's one of my favorite stories to share. I mean, I kind of just like skimmed over it, but I think it's really cool. And the way I met Laura, also, me and another friend of the show, Dr. Patrick O'Connor. We were at San Diego Comic Con we're giving a presentation on gay therapy. And Laura was in the audience. And then her wife tweeted at me like, Hey, you should, you should you should read this blog. And this girl Laura just wrote, I was like, Oh, yeah, that's kind of cool. And then, you know, I harassed you until until we joined forces
Lara Taylor 11:18
and then you met your platonic other half
Josué Cardona 11:23
were practically the same person. Yeah.
And, and the community is full of awesome people. And we we share a lot of information back and forth. And, you know, it's, it's been great to hear, like, just over the past couple weeks when a lot of people joined our Discord. And they were saying like, Oh, yeah, like I'm, I'm a big fan of the show, like, I listened to gt radio a lot, or I listened to headshots. And it's great because I really think that what we're doing matters as a whole, right as the therapy as a whole. And this show in particular, again, I think it keeps, it keeps things moving because sometimes it's really Hard to stay motivated to do a new project. And we have a lot of different shows but they're all consistent at different levels. Because because it's hard because we're all doing this on our on our spare time. And, but they're all passion projects that are all something that we really, really want to do. And we think that the work matters. And so I'm glad we're back whenever, like a couple of weeks without without recording and I feel I feel weird. It doesn't feel right. I feel I feel much better. We're back.
Lara Taylor 12:31
It's been like a month was way
Josué Cardona 12:33
I know. I know.
Lauren Keller 12:35
The mic ever
Lara Taylor 12:39
Josué Cardona 12:43
Same same, huh?
Lauren Keller 12:46
Hey, the break was good. Definitely. It's it's important to take breaks, if only to make you appreciate the thing more. Good point.
Josué Cardona 12:55
Good point. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. And yeah, So, so we're back end. So I just kind of wanted to, again, review everything like that was a quick summary of everything we've been doing for I guess what was the first episode of GC radio was in 2012. We launched the website in 2011. It's been a long time. For still here, this is Episode 233 of just this podcast. There's over 600 episodes total, not to mention blog posts and all this other stuff that we've done stuff we've never published. It's, it's good, it's good. It's a lot of stuff. It's pretty good. We even have podcast that we've like finished recording and not published.
but it'll, you know, it happens. It happens. So, but even though we were technically on vacation, I can't turn off my geek therapy brain So I made a list of a few things that I saw that I should make a GT library entry for for each of these. So
Lara Taylor 14:08
Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, you yell at me in caps to make the list to make an entry, I make the entry and you're sitting there with the list of entries.
I know Do I need to yelling caps at you?
Josué Cardona 14:20
Please, please do
I, I react well,
to yelling, so So please, please. And the reason I even bring this up here is for accountability purposes. But so these they really stood out to me
Lara Taylor 14:39
over the text waiting for you.
Josué Cardona 14:41
Good, good, good. keep reminding me. So so I'll bring up just a few examples. So I saw Actually, I'll start with I was playing fallen order the Star Wars game.
Yeah, yeah. And w beat the game, man.
Lara Taylor 14:58
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I beat it.
Josué Cardona 15:00
So so there was something that really stood out to me about that game, which was the fact that in the story, the game takes place right after order 66, which is in Star Wars when basically all of the Jedi were wiped out. So when we see that in, in Episode Three, right, and revenge and Revenge of the Sith, we basically see all the soldiers turn on the Jedi and just kill them all. But there are other stories that have been told and comics and rebels. And now in fallen order, where you know that there were these Jedi and Palawan was like teachers and students who were attacked, and some people survived. And the protagonist of this game, he, he was a kid, he saw his master die protecting him, and then he had to go into hiding for years. And that sounds pretty traumatic. And it turns out that it was and the way that it affected this character in particular was Basically he dissociated, right? Like he, there's a lot of memories from his past that he's completely forgotten. And pieces of the force he cut off to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the way I like the way that the game plays what they were, as you're progressing through the game, there are moments where it would really, it's like, there are moments that kind of remind him of things in the past. And then he goes back and he relives these memories. He goes back to those moments where he was learning with his master. And he's like, Oh, right. Like I knew how to do this before and now I kind of need it. And he's able to the way I see it, I think the game doesn't say this in any words like this, right? It doesn't say it was a traumatic experience. It doesn't say dissociation It doesn't say amnesia doesn't say it right. It just says like a lost connection with the force. But the way I see it is that he is growing right he is becoming stronger, he is able to better He's becoming better equipped to handle the this trauma and he's able to process it in a way that he's able to kind of open up these doors to to his past and he starts remembering which then allows him to like have these force abilities again, right so in the game, you're gaining these abilities instead of learning them for the first time you're actually remembering them. And every time that that happened, I don't know it just it just really stuck with me I loved the the way that the game did that I can imagine conversations with people feeling that way right? Like feeling like there is like I don't have I can't do this anymore because it's too painful to think about it. It's go back there. And and then slowly as you're progressing through therapy, or you're feeling better, you're able to have access to these powers essentially, right, these abilities these, these valuable memories, and basic like that's the core of the game. And I don't know I love there for that there's a point at the end where like, he's I don't know, I don't know if hole is the right word. But you've you've kind of regained all the memories. And it's like, oh, like now he's now he's a Jedi. But it's also like, oh, now he's back to where he was before. You know, it's like before all the trauma happened now he has access to all of these things that he didn't have before. And that's like a really healthy place to be to be. And in the game that translates to, you're a badass and they put like 50 enemies in front of you, and you're able to mow them down with all these new abilities and this new, new music and that's fine, right? It's like the whole the whole scene is just so cool. But that one really stuck with me. I really I really love that as an example of talking about mental health, talking about resilience, talking about growth, and doing it in a way that that was really fun.
Lara Taylor 18:48
Well, and after he regains all these abilities in the story, he gets to a point where he gets to kind of gain mastery and re redo his like is like Padawan training, especially like he gets to build a new lightsaber. Like he gets to do all of that over again and get that mastery and control and have it be a good experience. Even though his master is gone, and and the new master he's dealing with fear.
Josué Cardona 19:25
That's a whole other story too. That is a whole other story.
Lara Taylor 19:28
Yeah. That's a whole other thing that's got a similar experience where she's cut herself off completely from the forest is worried about the darkness taking over. And, like, needs to be able to, to focus and push all that darkness out and then her story without spoiling a whole lot of things. Like she goes through her own kind of growth and change. Yeah,
Josué Cardona 19:52
yeah. That was a good parallel, right, like she went through something similar and her experience was very different also
Lara Taylor 19:58
very different and real. fucked up.
Josué Cardona 20:00
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a good contrast.
Lara Taylor 20:03
There's a lot of characters in this that go through troubled times and trauma and all kinds of tough situations. Even the captain of the ship has his own vices he's chilling with. Yeah. And they all kind of get their chance to look at their past and grow from it.
Josué Cardona 20:26
Yeah, yeah. Well, I know I didn't ask you all that like if you wrote down a list or anything like that, but is there anything that you either played or watched or read over the holidays that the kind of, you know, made you really think that or you thought might be a good thing to bring on the show to talk about? Anything come to mind?
Lauren Keller 20:51
got some some stuff that comes to mind. I recently watched
the cartoon Netflix short series called Infinity Train. It was a single episode short, that came out in 2016. And it was what well received. So they turned it into a season, which I guess people liked so much that now they're working on a second season perhaps. But it is very good. It is about a young girl named to lip whose parents are newly divorced and she is supposed to be going to a video game design summer camp because she likes to make video games. She's a blossoming coder, and due to parental shit, she ends up not being able to go and she's like, Well, fuck that I'm going anyways, and so she goes but on the way she runs into the Infinity Train and It's full of adventures and fun characters. And there's a there's a robot sidekick that's like half Marvin from hitchhike Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and then half girl from invaders him. It's, it's fun, it's a lot of fun. And it's it's got cute animation and it's a fun little adventure tale and about how we come up with stories for what happens to us and we get so stuck in our version of the story that will basically lied to ourselves about the truth and and how part of growing up is recognizing that that it's not just your story that's happening and it's it was it was really good. It was real fun. It had some cool music. It's a 1011 minute That episode so it's um, it's totally doable in one or two sittings highly recommended. But yeah, it definitely made me think a lot as myself being a child of divorce. I related a lot in that way. There was one section where she's imagining like, Well, you know, wouldn't it just be perfect if my parents never got divorced and they loved each other, like I always imagined that they did and, and forgetting about all the times that you witness to them fighting and witness to them hurting each other and seeing how unhappy they were. And and just putting that aside because it's like, well, I'm hurt now. And so that's more important and sort of shifting that that kids centric view into a more broader world view. Yeah, cartoons are good, y'all. I love cartoons are the best. They're so good. They I think Just Yeah, yeah, it was a good show I highly recommend it if you
if you're feeling a lot of feelings about
past events that were out of your control, I think Infinity Train there might be a little, a little bit in there for you to get some comfort from.
Josué Cardona 24:20
So I was just googling it as your as we're talking about it. And apparently that so so there's two lip is the main character right? But then there's in the second season, mirror tulip is the main character What?
Lara Taylor 24:35
Lauren Keller 24:37
what? Okay, so So in one of in one of the so each each of on this Infinity Train, each of the train cars is totally different. And so some of its like the first one they show is like this white grid room and when you touch the squares on the grid, it makes him a musical tone and pops up a block on that spot that you touched a cube and so they Do like a fun little thing where they're like making music while building structures. It's very neat. But then there are other car rooms worlds that are like a whole land like you walk in a door and then there's not seams around you you're just in this open area and so it's very it's very diverse in the in the places she goes but one of the places is basically a mirror world and it ends up being very similar to ocher rate of time when you need Dark Link. Yeah, and and it has a
I feel a very nice and unique way of of
ending that particular adventure, but I don't want to give it away because I want you guys
Josué Cardona 25:47
so it's on Netflix.
Lauren Keller 25:48
It is. Oh, yeah, I think so. Yes. Something. It's definitely streaming somewhere.
Josué Cardona 25:54
I'm gonna check it out because it reminds me of Celeste. The idea of There's this other character right as you're playing your Celeste, that is basically your, your opposite. Right? And it's something that you have, it's something that you have to come to terms with multiple times throughout the game. I don't know if it's related or how similar it is, but it reminds me of that wonderful trope, which is which is often used to to great success.
I'm interested now.
Lauren Keller 26:29
Okay, so quick quick correction Infinity Train is available on amazon prime video. And if you have if you have TV, you can watch it on Cartoon Network. Yeah, Cartoon Network com.
Unknown Speaker 26:45
Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Lauren Keller 26:46
But all the first set the first season all the episodes should be available.
Josué Cardona 26:51
Check that out. And you said something about stories, right and kind of like this the power of stories and sometimes we we tell us that And we change it a little bit as we go through. And that's something that last week I went to visit family and my, my 90 year old grandmother was basically like, through, there's a lot of things that she's never done and never seen has no idea about. And the only reference that she has is a story. Like, you can't do this because I heard a story of a neighbor once that this happened to so for her, that's proof that I don't know like, if you go outside without an umbrella, you know, like, go catch a cold kind of thing, right? It's like, it's like she doesn't know that it's true. But she heard a story like that. Yes, she has stories like that for a lot of things that she's never seen. doesn't understand really, but she her point of view, right or her. It's like her education is all based on these stories that she doesn't really know if they're true or not. But she just takes them as true. Because, you know, her sister told her cousin told her
Lara Taylor 28:05
Josué Cardona 28:06
Yeah, yeah, yeah, in a way and it's, it's like, again, she's 90. They're like half the thing. She says I want to fight with her about but it's like, I'm not gonna bother anyone. Are you gonna win? Yeah, doesn't matter. Even if I did put up with the Saturn. She's like, she's 90 and compared to what she wants. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. But But I was thinking about that so much. She kept bringing up things where it's like, I know, that you never, like, you've never been to that country, like the things that you believe are completely based on bullshit, or sometimes even things that she saw on TV, you know, and sometimes it's just the TV show. And it made me think, like we I mean, obviously, that's the majority of what we talked about. Here on the show is is about stories and the power of stories. For us to, to like, again, those moments were like, oh, like we understand something about ourselves. And to know like, I'm just glad that you You brought that up I really want to check out this this this series to see ya it deals with that. Yeah, I
Lauren Keller 29:05
mean you you telling that story about your grandma it? It brings to mind in media psychology one of the main theories we return to over and over again is social learning theory, which is what you're talking about where we hear information from other people. And even if we have no way to verify it, we just go like yeah, that seems right. Sounds true. I believe that now. And that that is true for interacting with people face to face. That is true with interacting with people over the phone. And it's true for like watching fake characters on TV and in movies and reading it in books and like the all of that stuff. Our brains don't really necessarily necessarily distinguish them from real life and not real life. It's like that seems like it could be important I'm saving it. And and the way human brains are structured is that we are Learn through stories. That is how we learn everything is through storytelling and narrative structure. And so if you are given a piece of information, and it's just a statements, you're like, Okay, but if you're given a piece of information and it's inside of a story, one, you're going to believe it more and to you're gonna remember it more, because that's the way your brain set up. And so thinking about the power of stories, especially within the the framework, Cookie therapy and wanting to help people connect and understand themselves better and understand each other better, is like understanding that aspect of stories, that stories are what really allows us to communicate with each other and really connect to each other. It does make you appreciate the media you consume a lot more because you start to see the way that those stories are bringing you to other people are helping you to understand the way the world works. Now, again, it's not always 100% accurate. So there's some serious Acting required. But I still think it's really powerful and important to be aware of.
Josué Cardona 31:06
Yeah. So the I think most of the time, this, this is super helpful. Oh, no, actually, I would say about half the time. It's super helpful when you're talking about a relatable story, in that you see it and you say, well, that that's that's how I feel. That's exactly what I went through. That was exactly my situation. But then if you look at something like I talked about being Hispanic before, I there are lots of times where I see a Hispanic person on TV and infuriates me, because I think, I think people are gonna think that we're all like that, and that, and that's kind of what happens, right? If you've never met someone from a particular country, like, I'll give it I'll give it a non personal example. Right? Maybe I can be a little bit more objective. I was. I was recording earlier today for a new enemy project that we're starting new enemy podcast, and we were talking about how Like, for a long time I was, I thought that I knew what Japan was like, but that was just based on anime. But I really have no idea because I've never been there. And the first two people from Japan that I met, like in like, had a real conversation with, I talked to them about anime, and they were like, I don't watch anime. I was like, Whoa, what, like, my whole conception of what Japanese people were like, and, and what they enjoyed and what I what I envisioned was, like, you know, turned on its head because I was like, whoa, wait a minute, and tick tock like
Lara Taylor 32:32
I did. I did people's expectations, and we get there and it's like, all the signs are not in a language I understand. And these people are not acting like they do in the anime. And what is going on? Exactly.
Josué Cardona 32:47
And so like, I still haven't been there. So I don't know. I mean, now I I don't believe like I did when I was younger that I that I have any idea what Japan is actually like, but But like, it's taking years of having conversations like this one to be able to, you know, understand that and and so sometimes I'll see I'll see something, a Hispanic person in a really popular thing. I'm like, all why why did they do like the stereotypical thing that not everybody does and not everybody's gonna think that that's, that's where they set us back 10 years you know and like those, there's some truth to that because some people, that's that's what they learned, and they just learned it right now and they learned it completely wrong. And it's going to cause trouble for some people.
They're too good, they're too good at what they do. They're too good at showing people things. And I mean, remove Hispanic and put in anything else, you know, any other
characteristic identity. Race. Yeah,
Lauren Keller 33:51
yeah, I mean, I mean another another example is how many people will watch medical procedural shows And then assume that they actually know anything about medicine. And there's like actual research that shows, you know, people who watch ER and Grey's Anatomy consistently believes that they have, you know, more knowledge about various medical things, then people who don't watch the show, and it's it's pretty much it's like, no, it's because you watched that one episode about anaphylaxis. And now you think you know everything about allergies. You don't you just watch that one episode. And it taught you about epi pens. But all you know about now is epi pens. Not cool with allergies,
Josué Cardona 34:37
because that's it right? Like that's the first and the last time you ever heard about it. So like that's, that's 100% of the information you have about that. Was that from that episode? And you can so
Lauren Keller 34:48
yeah, and so for some things, it's like it doesn't matter. It's not a big deal. But then for other things when you think about like representation of people with disabilities in movies and TV shows you think about the way people without autism are commonly portrayed you think about the way you know, queer black people get portrayed frequently is is the recognition that it is not a holistic representation and often types oftentimes, it often relies on stereotyping to transmit a message to you whether or not that's a good or bad stereotype doesn't really matter so much as it's something that culturally you have a reference point. And so that's how you get you know, the idea like I watched, you know, 16 slice of life anime. And so therefore, I know what a slice of life in Japan is like, right that that tracks right and then everybody's like, I'm honey, no. Yep.
Josué Cardona 35:48
And it's, it's not just
was it's like, it's not just a stereotype. It's like, that can be a 100%. factual, super honest. Perfect reference. entation one person.
Lara Taylor 36:02
All the other people are like, No, you got it wrong. This is this is no, this is my experience.
Josué Cardona 36:10
Yeah, one person doesn't represent the 100%.
Lara Taylor 36:13
There, there is a story of Who is it?
I can't remember her name, but she's a comic artist. And she wrote a story, a graphic novel of her own story. And somebody told her she got the experience wrong. Yes, it's my fucking life. It's my life.
Josué Cardona 36:34
Shut the fuck up. See, that happens all the time. But like, you know, we talked about conversation starters. Right? Like one thing is, is using the media to say that's exactly how I felt. That's my, that's my experience like that. I couldn't put it into words. But let me show you from this story, this movie, this comic book, but
Lauren Keller 36:52
being able to say my experience was like this except in being able to use that as the starting point of life. Here's the basic outline of what happened to me. But you're missing the important details that are unique to my experience and are intended for a broad studio audience.
Josué Cardona 37:11
Yeah, I mean, it could be a full spectrum, right? It's like, no, it's like, sometimes I will present something to a client, right? where it's like, Hey, I don't think you're an orphan. Here's Superman story. Do you relate? Absolutely not. And here are all the reasons why. But that's
Lara Taylor 37:28
just as important as do you relate? Yes. And here are all the reasons why.
Josué Cardona 37:33
Yep. Yep. Kind of talking about it. I got to talking about it with like, maybe you don't have the language for it. But if in this particular case, you're familiar with DC Comics, and Superman, and krypton, and Kansas and Smallville and you know, superpowers and things like that, it's like, Okay, well, now we have a language, we can have a framework that we can use to talk about this thing. And yeah, all the details around but now you could tell me why, you know, and I know it's great. I think, you know,
It works. It works really well.
It it's made my my life as a mental professional and teacher way easier. So so he's easier not easy but easier. definitely easier. It's good, it's good. And I missed you guys I've got I'll probably bring up one more if nobody has anything else that they remember.
Lara Taylor 38:27
The only thing I have because it's been a month and I there's so many things. I have beaten three video games and finished and caught up on a show in this year alone. It's amazing.
Josué Cardona 38:41
Okay, so what video games have you finished?
Lara Taylor 38:43
Okay, so I finished Assassin's Creed three remastered Okay, okay, I finished Jedi fallen order. Nice and what remains of Edith Finch
finally played it.
Yeah, yeah, so I finished those and I caught up on a typical which could be its own like, thing. Yeah. Yeah. And I binge watched a limited series on Netflix called unbelievable, which is super intense trigger warning, the show is about rape. But the piece that I found important was, I mean, the whole thing could be important, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it for people to watch the whole thing. Unless I knew them. Watching, I think it was episode seven. This girl was assaulted, not believed. She's got a troubled past. She's mandated to go to therapy. And the therapist in this episode, I'm like, God, I wish I hope I'm this therapist, like, Girl didn't want to talk. She's like, it's 15 minutes, right? We can just sit here. don't have to do anything. Eventually the therapist gets to talk about a movie she's seen, which is zombie land. And she starts talking about zombies. And the therapist is like, well, I don't get zombies explain zombies to me. And along the line, they say, they get to the point of the conversation where it's like, well, it's not the zombies you have to worry about. It's the people. And they talk about how she's had all these issues with people and you can't trust these people and can't let people in and they're the ones you have to worry about. It was beautiful. Beautiful. I said, I want to be that therapist, and the actress everything else. I've seen her and I hate her.
It's great. It's great. The therapist, the therapist, therapist,
Josué Cardona 40:44
so check it out. Um, this reminds me over the last week, I can I was visiting family and have these two little cousins. I think they are in fourth and first grade, I believe and so They come over and like, they don't remember me. I've seen them many times throughout their lives, but they're too small. They don't remember me. And the little girl in particular, like she was, like, like terrified, you know, like she was like hiding behind her grandfather. She wouldn't even say hi to me, though, but but the boy like came and shook my hand. So it was like No problem, you know, like, no problem.
Lauren Keller 41:20
So I go hug get you eventually. Yeah, yeah,
Josué Cardona 41:22
yeah. So, so they they go they they're there in the kitchen. And I see that the that the boy is playing on a switch. And he's playing Mario Maker too. And so I'm like, oh, have you? I'm like, Oh, yeah. Mario Maker. He's like, it's mario maker to like, Oh, this kid is testing me. Okay, this is gonna be fun. Sound like, Yeah, no, that's cool. Have you played story mode, and then I go into that and he's like, yeah, I've done this many. And then I was like, oh, I've only done about half the levels and then that's where like, his eyes open up, you know, and like, I've got him and then the Little girl was a little harder. But eventually, we we all played switch together we played over cooked together we brothers, we played Mario Maker together the girl like this and I can't connect with them about everything right but I found out like what they liked and she liked the little girl had watched frozen. She's like if you watch frozen, like what's your favorite song and it just so happens that I like frozen. So we're saying that she's like, Oh, I really like paramour and she started singing more songs and I know paramitas I like I knew a couple of songs. So like, by the end of the, you know, a couple days that we were all we're all best friends. And, and it was just one of those things where, like, using the things that they liked, we were able to connect, you know, and it's like that's that's a big part of what we're talking about here. Right? It's like it's it's just sometimes it's hard to connect with people. It's hard to open up to people. This is the same for for small kids who are in first grade as it is For four adults in my 90 year old grandmother, right, for this little girl, like we were able to connect through frozen with my nine year old grandmother, I can connect with her over Bible stories. Right? It's, it's, they're all stories and all these things that we, that we like it's their favorite things and being able to, like, just just that spark, right is is so important and to be able to just to be open to those things, even like that example from unbelievable era where she's like, I don't know anything about zombies. Tell me about zombies, right like, I don't know. I don't know if that's how she said it, but I don't necessarily like
Lara Taylor 43:37
that. That's pretty much like what she's like she really doesn't she's like, I don't know anything about zombies. Tell me about zombie or explain the movie to me or something and like,
Josué Cardona 43:48
but that open explain
Lara Taylor 43:48
the movie. Yeah, just like the curiosity and being willing to learn about something. I mean, I have I have listened to Clients go on about I hate country music and I've listened to a client talk about country music for an hour. And geek out with them. Yeah. And was so excited that they were so excited. So like, yeah, just be interested. Yeah.
Josué Cardona 44:16
Yeah, it's a thing, right? It's it's a curiosity. It's just like, you know, like, flip it on them. Like, I don't know. I Why do
Lara Taylor 44:22
you like it so much? Tell me Yeah,
Josué Cardona 44:25
yeah. Yeah. Like, I can sing into the unknown with you. Or, you know, if you don't know it, just like, which is your favorite song? What do you like about it? What was your favorite part?
Yeah, I mean, you know that those are the kind of things we talked about here.
I think these are great examples. This is a good like warm up for the rest of the season. So so what I'm thinking to do things a little bit differently, is to kind of set a founder like this episode was just pretty random, but the list of things right. But what I'm thinking moving forward because We all have, we're all like in, in different professional aspects and you know, like, personal to like I think, you know, some of my best stories are the things that I'm most wanted to talk about today came from interactions with my family, they weren't like at work,
Lara Taylor 45:14
we did a whole diabetes episode.
Josué Cardona 45:20
And we use southpark as an as a as a foundation, the media example and your life experiences and we use those two things to have a good conversation. But so, so you see a lot of clients, Laura, and Lauren, you're researching stuff constantly, and you're also living your life. And, and so I think that it would be cool to, to like, you know, pull more from those things. I know personally, I plan on speaking a whole lot more this season about my own depression, my anxiety, my own ADHD, how media has helped me deal with those things. I've like, I don't know, I've been reflecting on that. I'm like, Man, I'm like, I don't I don't talk enough about my own stuff. And I think It's important for us to do that too. I mean, you, you have to, but that's something that I that I feel that I really want to do. So, you know, personal examples are also super helpful because again, the idea here is to practice. So we're going to try to take turns, you know, like every week, I'll just say like, Okay, so this week, it's Lauren's turn next week, its largest turn, and, and kind of like to set the stage for us. And in the past, we've talked about spoilers, and we've all agreed to watch the movie and read the book. And I kind of want to take a step back from all that, because we just had some really good conversations and I haven't seen Infinity Train. I haven't seen unbelievable. Lauren, you haven't, I'm assuming you haven't played fallen order, right? Or
Lauren Keller 46:44
I didn't play it, but I did watch most of it so
Josué Cardona 46:47
I can follow what you're doing. Gotcha. Gotcha. But but like it doesn't, you don't need to, you know, and I think that's kind of the point that we're getting here at the end is like you can just be curious. You can engage in that conversation with someone and you it doesn't like you That's a misconception that a lot of people have like, over the years people like have always asked me like, oh, like, how am I possibly gonna watch? You know, like, read all those comic books. I'm like, you can't,
Lara Taylor 47:09
you don't have
Josué Cardona 47:10
to nobody's expecting you to. And it's way more about that curiosity. But if you You can also, like, bring in your own stuff, you know when because sometimes the client won't. And you'd be surprised where you can kind of like right now I assumed you you didn't you weren't familiar with the game, but like, you were like, you watch the whole thing. So and and that's, that's a valid thing to like, if someone brings something up and you're curious about you can just watch videos on YouTube. You can just watch somebody streaming in, you can watch a video and
Lauren Keller 47:40
read the Wikipedia page,
Josué Cardona 47:43
read the wiki. I mean, that's more than enough sometimes to get the essence and to get the conversation to where you want.
Lauren Keller 47:50
Yeah, like like I said before a really it really comes down to stories. We are very narrative driven species and so while I'm sure it is more useful to actually have, you know, personal experience with the piece of media that you're referencing, as long as you have, you know, an understanding of the story and what the story is, is, you know, bringing up in that person what they're connecting to, you can connect that to anything. Like that's it. That's a golden ticket right there. Because you figured out like the heart of it. The heart of the cards. Oh, it's it. Yeah. It's it's all about it's all about stories. Yes. How we connect to each other and how we understand ourselves.
Josué Cardona 48:34
And sometimes it's just one moment, right? It doesn't have to be it's like, it's not the whole movie. It's not the whole game. It was that one? No, it's
Lauren Keller 48:40
the one line from the song that they're playing in the background while the building explodes like, gutted me, and here's why. And you're like, Well, I didn't see that movie. But yeah, I've been guided by a line from a song before Hell yeah.
Josué Cardona 48:56
Yep. So so we're relaxing all the rules now. So when it's your turn, bring up, whatever, it's fine. I leave spoilers to your discretion. I also allow like, I think it's cool if any of us want to like, veto. Like, I'm gonna spoil the end of this music. No, I want to watch it. We know we'll play it. It'll be a case by case thing. But okay. Yeah, so I'm excited. We're back. I'm super excited about I'm like, to me this is this is the flagship This is the core. This is what keeps us going. You know, every week, it's the practice but also things come from this. So, like, I'd like to explore the fallen order thing more in a headshots episode, which is our our video gaming, primarily podcast. We did we talked a lot about Star Wars and our tabletop gaming podcast is going is about to do a Star Wars Episode on
Lara Taylor 49:52
we did three Star Wars episodes in a week. I know. I know. I know.
Josué Cardona 49:56
Plus, I made the diabetes episode logo, like, like clones. Star Wars Yeah, myself and and so like ideas that come here or ideas that we don't have the time to spend on here, we can, you know, they can branch off and become their own things we have tons of shows that are that are exploring ideas much more deeply and much more like sticking to a particular genre or medium. Like I said, there's there's a, we've got an anime show that's about to come out. And that's like that's, that's using the same model but only talking about enemy. So if enemies your thing like check that show out, but if like Steven Universe is your thing, we have a show that does that, right? So gaming, whether it's tabletop video games, and now we're going to do the GTA adventures, which is it'll be a different show. It'll be fun, but it'll be you know, people from the community playing tabletop role playing games, and I don't know we've got a little bit of everything. So again, it's exciting because everything Kind of branches out from here. And lots of times we like we have a guest here and then that becomes its own show. So I'm excited the future's bright. And yeah, that's it. Anybody have anything they want to say or share? Before we we leave.
Lara Taylor 51:17
I just want to say I'm super excited that I decided to get a journal for my office, and I am keeping a media process notes journal. So anytime media gets brought up in my office, whether it's by me or the clients, I am writing it down. And for anyone that doesn't know what process notes are, they are separate from your progress notes, which are the things that get called into court. And it's just more of a like, how is this helpful? What are your thoughts? How is it affecting me? How is it affecting the client, whatever, so I'm really excited to have what like This like thing that's like specifically for media references. Yeah, so cool. Yeah. It's a Wonder Woman journal guys
Lauren Keller 52:11
yeah I've been I've been upping my game this January I decided I was going to take more thorough notes in my my media tracking so yeah. Been been actually writing down some note I mean sometimes it's pretty funny because I watch a lot of horror movies and I don't necessarily want to write down like the surprise twist conclusion. So I'm just trying to like vague post about what is trying to find that level of like, Oh yeah, I remember that movie but also like, don't completely give away the coolest part of that movie.
Lara Taylor 52:48
I have a separate journal that I keep by my couch to write things down like if I'm playing a video game or watching a movie and something strikes me but like, I don't really fill it out, but at Work part of my job is filling out notes. And so I'm more diligent about at reflection after I meet with a client, so it's not very full right now. I just got it like a week ago and half my clients are in town right now and still still balancing things out. But like it, there's stuff in there and it's pretty cool. And I'm going to train like, make that a practice. Okay,
Josué Cardona 53:26
heck, yeah. I like this. I like this.
Lara Taylor 53:29
I hope more therapists are keeping media process journals. I'm coining the term. It is a media process journal.
Josué Cardona 53:38
i'm john, earlier today was showing me a bullet journal is something that I wasn't those are so
Lara Taylor 53:44
complicated. It really
Josué Cardona 53:46
cool. Cool. It was just so is the coolest thing I've ever seen. It was just it was incredible. It blew my mind. I don't
Lara Taylor 53:54
got time for all that. But thank you, john, for doing that and show is how cool it can be. Yeah,
Josué Cardona 54:01
yeah, it was. Yeah, it's um,
yeah, y'all are motivating meetup, biophysical. I'm laying a paper and
Lauren Keller 54:10
my daily notebook is, you know, three quarters the way full. I'm like, Oh, it's about time for me to go get a notebook. And I'm like, I could get like eight notebooks and I can have it. Oh, by the
Lara Taylor 54:23
way, let me show you. I'll send you a tick tock. Let someone showed me of an app that is really good for taking notes.
Josué Cardona 54:31
Yes, please. Yes, I prefer that. I prefer tic tocs. Also, can I just take Tick Tock notes like my notes be? Tick tock, tick tock of everything.
Lara Taylor 54:41
Yeah, you should do that, then. That's the time. That's what I should do. Then do it but you're not doing
Josué Cardona 54:47
we're gonna talk so much about Tick Tock this year. I just I just
Lara Taylor 54:52
it's not the year of the rat. It's the year the tick tock,
Josué Cardona 54:55
honestly, I mean, everything we've talked about was like basically what we've been saying for a year right? I could just I'm finally getting comfortable with like talking about the same thing over and over again and even bringing up like the same stories over again. But Tick Tock has made me like it's made me look at everything that we do differently. Because it it's like it's opened up all these possibilities for me. I don't know it's really changed my point of view on a lot of things and I'm like in a in a great way. Like I'm very excited about it. Which is part of the reason why I'm obsessed with Tick Tock. Oh, we don't have any tech talks on there yet. But you can follow us at key therapy on Tick tock, and you can follow ikey therapy everywhere. You can find morgy therapy at the therapy calm. And in the show notes you'll find links to our discord, our forum, where you can comment on this episode and every episode of contents on the D therapy network. We're just starting a new post. You can also find rgt library there, which is our reference library. Media examples, like the ones we brought up today. And hopefully, if, if Lauren, I get our shit together, we'll actually write up some of the things that we talked about today and put them on there.
Lara Taylor 56:11
That unbelievable episode I talked about today is already up there.
Josué Cardona 56:15
It only it only took a little bit of harassing to to get it on there. It's hard work to get
Lara Taylor 56:22
it was so hard. I was still watching the episode that I was wanting to write about when I wrote about it.
Josué Cardona 56:29
Lara Taylor 56:31
It wouldn't take that much. All right. All right.
Josué Cardona 56:36
We'll see. Well, we'll see how the library is going in a few weeks. We'll see.
Thank you so much for joining us. Remember everything is in the show notes. Remember to geek out and do good and we'll be back next week.
Lauren Keller 56:50
Josué Cardona 56:53
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